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  • PlainSpeak
    01-14 08:17 AM
    to some of your points, but
    is the response from amitjoey not enough to understand why PlainSpeak's view won't work ?

    amitjoey response is good, correct, to the point and more civil than any one else. As you said there are more silent readers who if don't see amitjoey's response will consider IV is trying to do something wrong by harsh response (through their senior members/donors). Just read all comments except amitjoey's the thread will give different view (-ve to IV forum).

    When some one reads uncivilized comments they don't just think bad about the person but also get -ve impression about the forum. You are missing important point, just because some one wants to give comments so that silent readers find abt people like plainspeak/gcperm but in reality it works just against the forum nothing else.

    And when we want to create a professional forum for a reason/cause, as a forum member we need to maintain some professionalism in our comments. If anyone find any thread is not appropriate respond perfectly like amitjoey or report it to moderator.

    As a new member (joined just 2008 and read only reasonable threads) I never know someone GCPerm and anything about his/her good/bad threads. So, it doesn't add any value if senior members fighting on who is who.

    I am speaking for benefit of this forum which will benefit every person who join/participate. But if a member doesn't bother or care about what kind of -ve impression they are leaving then what is the real benefit of having that member. Just because that member don't care about having more members doesn't reflect the forum core members view.

    You don't agree to my views but your response is nice and civilized and that is what I am talking about. I would say amitjoey's way of response (so do your response to my comment) would help both PlainSpeak and every members who reads the thread to understand what is good/bad for us as group.

    One thing I disagree is your rough reality, in the name of rough reality we don't have to write rough wording in a forum where we need more people to join for a cause. You may not want any more member but I don't think that could be the case with IV core members. Why, mostly (not all) people who are in this forum will stop working for the forum after getting GC and we always need new members (may be 1 in 10000) who will add value to the forum.

    And I haven't responded to PlainSpeak because I have no knowledge about that topic and I am still understanding/learning it. Also amitjoey's response is more than enough which is civilized and perfect (at least to me). Unless I have something to add to his point I can just keep quiet instead of leaving -ve impression abt the forum.

    For any cause as a group we can fight with violence (uncivilized) and without violence (civilized). There is always people for both approach, but as a forum member we need to follow the core members way rather than our own way. And part of user registration we all agree to the terms and one of it is "By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

    I had my own experience in this forum about hateful comments towards me by a senior member/donor. But that particular thread got removed because of so much hateful comments. Once we start accepting hateful comments it won't stop at any level and the forum will be filled with hateful comments. If you feel some thread/comment is not good better respond properly or report to moderator. Why we need to fill this forum with hateful comments when we have tools to avoid it.
    My Friend ActAccord thank for saying things the way they are. And i am especially thankfull for the fact that you made it clear that you do NOT yet have an opinion on on topic at hand. People should discuss the pros and cons of any idea and come up with an approach based on that discussion.

    From where i am standing i do not see you as a junior member. I am sure that maybe sometime down the line you and i might be on the opposite sides of a discussion and may not agree on an approach but we would still have respect for each others dedication to their point of view.

    Now if you have been on this forum for sometime now you know what is going to happen next when everyone wakes up and reads your first post. You will have all these so called senior member (nothing senior about them) and junior members who will come at you from all sides with both fists swinging and abuses so brace youselves and give a fitting reply to anyone who disses you just like how you did to GreyHair down below





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  • harikris
    05-28 11:10 PM
    This is precisely not what i wanted to hear.
    It puts a damper on hope.
    Now we have to hope against hope to see any movement forward.
    There are only 3 ways i can see for improvement
    1. Legislation
    2. New legislation
    3. And fast legislation





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  • dealsnet
    05-13 10:21 AM
    Both Tamils and Singalese are our people. They migrated to Lanka about 2-3 thousand years back. Now the fighting is for stamping authority to rule one over the other.
    2000 years back most of the south India speaks Tamil/Dravidian language. Malayalam is a new language made from Sanskrit and Tamil.

    No one is sure who migrated to Lanka first. Tamils are still in India, so poeple think they migrated and now making a fight with the foreign country. It is wrong. See the links below to see the Singalese miration details.

    I am not a Tamil or Singalese. We cannot say Tamils went to Lanka and asking for homeland. The truth is both Tamils and Singalese migrated from India. May be Tamils went to Lanka before the Singalese. LTTE is a terrorist organization, but it gained popularity because of Singalese neglect of Tamils. I don't think the problem can be resolve through military means. The war will change from conventional to gorrilla within this year.
    Only political solution can bring peace.
    Read these historical facts about the singala migration.
    http://www.lankalibrary.com/books/sinhala_history.htm

    http://www.sinhaya.com/begining.htm
    http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-13173.html





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  • sands_14
    07-10 08:27 PM
    Well friends,
    I understand the things .
    My take is:
    I will stay another 2 years when i exhaust my full 6yrs H1B.If GC doesnt seem thru by then,I can then move back to INDIA and invest in a new venture.
    I dont find any need to go to Canada,Australia or Gulf.
    Anyways best of Luck to all Migratory BIRDS:) No PUN intended !!:)



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  • solaris27
    07-28 08:02 AM
    One of my firend drove from TX to VA to explain ADVANTAGE of Amway .

    I can't belive that .. It sucks , As you invested money in this business you will think all of your friends will al intrested but they are not .....


    think twice ...enjoy .





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  • ramus
    07-03 08:51 PM
    Done..
    Thanks.



    Pleeeeeeeeease blog at Employment Based (EB) Skilled Immigration Applicants (http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?boardid=1042&threadid=314286&BoardsParam=HIPDelay=1&PostID=7628691)

    Please put details. 1 liners will not cut it!



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  • EB-VoiceImmigration
    01-15 03:44 AM
    I'm trying to Decode this --> @#$#@$@#$X#%^^@#!$#$ :rolleyes:





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  • whatamidoinghere
    02-22 04:26 AM
    Looks like lot of data is available for us to crunch on:

    Labor certifications from 2000 to 2006
    http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CasePerm.aspx

    H1Bs issued from 2002 to 2006
    http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CaseH1B.aspx

    Hopefully using this data we can get some rough prediction on cutoff date movement. I'm going to spend the coming weekend on this.



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  • jchan
    07-25 10:55 AM
    IMO, both arguments and are valid as far as speculations are concerned. It all depends on perspective. In this thread, we are focusing on statistics and calculations. I my self did lot of calculations. However, objectively looking at Ron's comments, it appears like his concern and underlying message is what if USCIS won't adjudicate enough numbers and wastes visa numbers as it did lot of times. He is basing his prediction on years of experience. With recent pressure on DOS/USCIS to use visa number, I think, they are making an attempt to use up all numbers and that will definitely bring life to our calculations. But what If they do not do that.....and their 'target' is a low number.

    Well, we are talking about 'cutoff date move', not actual approved I485's. If USCIS works in full steam, the EB2 backlog will be reduced quickly, which will result in cut off date move; if they don't, the DOS has to move date forward to allow more CP, that will also cause cut off date move. So either way, the horizontal spill over rule will have a huge positive impact on the EB2 dates move





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  • Kushal
    07-27 12:35 AM
    My desi neighbor told me about it recently. What are your experience with Amway Quickstar. Have you guys made money from it?

    Its like asking an anti-immigrant, what you think about legal/illegal immigration?

    I guess you would get better idea if you call up Amway corporation or FTC and find out. And not from other who spend their time flipping channels and burping beer.
    As far as I know there are people from US Army, NASA scientists, NFL players, pastors etc.....from different background are very successfully building the franchise business. No wonder they are growing $1.2 billion dollars every year since 1950.
    Of course is not for everyone; its only for people who know the power of free enterprise on which this country is built on.

    Question is whether it will work for you? Your families finances are decided by you, and not by any other people. If you do take advice from other, then you will be flipping channels and burping beer too, and it takes one big financial hit to wipe you off the slate.



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  • panini
    05-18 07:54 AM
    The state television of Sri Lanka has confirmed that Prabhakaran has been shot dead while trying to flee the war zone.

    And the whole island has been liberated from the LTTE terrorism.

    Here is my salute to the brave and heroic Sri Lankan armed forces, our president and the secratery of defence and to my fellow Sri Lankan brothers and sisters!!!! This is it boys!!!! We did it !!!!





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  • sachug22
    09-24 03:32 PM
    I know you are talking about "7% country speciific limit for primary applicants" and "2% country specific dependent limit" So actually it is 9% limit - country specific together.

    But question is " what is the meaning of it?"

    The tables what are published in bulletin are meant for "Visa number availability".

    So numbers (28.6% divided by 5 per each preference-country) are meant for USCIS to process and assign visa numbers till that limit reached.

    "7% + 2%" country specific limit is meant for "Sending Greencard /Ordering Greencard".

    In simplest form, EB-I will have 8008 X 3 (Without spilied over) = 24024 applications assigned Visa number this year and out of that ( 9% X 140000 = 12600) lucky ones will get their physical green cards THIS YEAR. The rest will get their physical green cards next year though their files have been assigned numbers (Pre-adjudicated.) this year.

    Above mentioned explanation is the real meaning of this bullshit.

    I think I have tried my best to explain the process.:)

    Not sure what you are talking about. There are two rules as follows

    28.8% EB visas for each category EB1/EB2/EB3 and 6.8% for EB4/EB5
    7% limit for each country in EB category (India will get 9800 visa in all EB1-5 categories)

    To enforce the limit each EB subcategory (EB1/EB2/EB3/EB4/EB5) enforces country cap, no more than 2822 visa for India in EB1/EB2/EB3 categories.

    The limit can be extended when there are leftover visas (this is what has extended the limit for EB1/EB2/EB3 India for last few years).



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  • Nikith77
    06-17 02:49 PM
    lets not fight between ourself. Let us be happy to see someone is gettting their GC,s





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  • she81
    07-03 06:44 PM
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  • leo2606
    09-23 06:00 PM
    nope, I understand, I see valid points in your opposition. I had a similar discussion with one of my friend couple of months back, I did question about how US economy gets boosted by just GC holders buying house.

    But any way otherside I was thinking what's wrong in just trying.


    You are missing the point of the opposition. What is the fairness in this visa category? Every other category has US benefiting (not short term, but in long term) from us, except this proposed category. Do you think paying 20% down will benefit US enough that they drop every thing and grant you the GC??

    Also, how do you define this 20%? A 20% down in CA will get your 5 homes in Alaskan tundra (ok exaggerating, but not by much). This proposal basically comes down to haves and have nots. By expending time on such misguided legislation, you are not only making the immigrants look like cheap opportunistic ****, but also giving enough fodder for the anti-immigrants that we are only looking for our GC without any tangible long term benefit for US (I could pay 20% down, get my GC, and then become a burden on the state).





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  • mbartosik
    12-13 07:16 PM
    As you use the phrase Check Mate....

    Chess is all about thinking strategically several moves ahead.
    Given the current political climate on immigration I think that we will be in a check mate position (on the loosing end) if we pursue that road.

    The anti's would be all over us as soon as we filed in federal district court probably even before a hearing, and definitely after a hearing. If we lost in lower courts the Supreme Court would probably refuse to hear the appeal, in the mean time we'd have just stirred up the anti's hornets nest against us, just as much if not worse than against the illegals.

    Asking Congress to make small changes in the existing laws annoys the anti's. Telling them or forcing them to wholesale rewrite their laws would make us public enemy #1. We would be lucky to have more than a handful of law makers willing to stand up for us. It would kill off all lobbying ability.

    Think of lobbying as polite negotiation.
    Think of Supreme court case as picking a fist fight, in which we are badly out numbered.
    Once you have started a fist fight it is much harder to negotiate, especially from a loosing position.


    I would rather negotiate than fight, I would rather lobby than court challenge.

    So yes, check mate, if we follow this route.
    Alternatively, a British phase: Royally screwed!



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  • gc_on_demand
    09-17 11:24 AM
    On a ballpark, EB2-I has demand for about 50K immigrant visa numbers. Last year we got 25K. I am assuming we are going to get the same number this year too. So that cleared entire 2004.

    Next year the situation may be different, because demand from other countries is less, So we could see a bigger leap and might put us in early 2006 by end of FY10. FY11 may not be that nice when economy starts improving. We could be back to square one.

    Bottomline, Without a recapture, EB2I/C will not make much progress. EB3-Worldwide is only a place holder in the very long line.

    IV members need to concentrate on the recapture, filing AOS after I140 is approved, visa stamping within USA to make our life easy.

    Only thing we can do is grassroots advocacy. Which may take few years... I don't have hope that in CIR we will be huge getting benefits ( Because of Antis and Some Dems like Senator Durbin ). Also Chances of any piecemeal is very less because of Hispanic caucus.

    Only thing left is Administrative fixes. who can give us temp relief. Like Mr Bush did for TN visas.





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  • mbawa2574
    02-16 12:21 PM
    My friend, writing in bold font doesn't make your argument bolder. An argument is bold by the underlying merit of the argument. Where did I mention anything about race?

    Even if I had said that there is fraud and corruption in India, it would not be considered as a racist comment. Every year Transparency International generates a list of most corrupt nations. Ever wonder why India is on that list. Ever wonder why out of all places only in India US visa officers are instructed to do technical interview for IT visa applicants? You are living in complete denial and trying to play the race card whenever you get an opportunity.

    Fraud and corruption is prevalent everywhere incuding India and a prepondernece of the bodyshops are nothing but a factory of producing overnight "IT Talents". Accept this is as one of the problem of this retrogression.

    Don't make corruption in India as an incentive to thrash Indians. Majority of Indian H1b/L1 like any other community are well skilled professionals. It should not give you an incentive to thrash Indians or India. I am sure you belong to India and I am pretty depressed to see some one trash his own country to get some cheap publicity on this blog. I am not playing a race card but Yes I will defend Indians or Chinese for any attacks by bigots like you.





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  • a1b2c3
    05-30 01:47 PM
    I know this guy who was a junior to me and reporting to me in India. I resigned and moved with another company and later moved to US. After an year I joined the same company which I was working in India. Now this guy, just because having some relation with the VP made some arrangement and came to US on L1 and applied under EB1 and got his GC in 1.5 years. More over he was no good as manager and a pathetic programmer. Also he did no good to the company actually lost a few clients and when he got his ass on fire he moved to other company and started working as a pathetic programmer with his GC

    AAAHHHHH... nuts nuts nuts.. 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1... hooo.. :) controlling my anger..

    I was also mad like you are today when the lawyers were busy filing for 140 + 485 during the entire month of July 07 and ignoring other applicants. I counted all the way from 100.:D
    And now you can also imagine how mad would many EB3-I filers would be with PDs in early 2002.





    arunmohan
    06-03 07:34 PM
    Laws you quoted are for US residents, not for those wanting to be US residents. Country quota, I believe, is more sensitive and difficult to change. Of course, it is not working for the original intent to not have people from a few countries making US as their home.

    Work-arounds, we are so familiar with such as AOS, EAD, H1B beyond 6 yrs, etc., are easier to get in. For the current situation, simple work-around could be to adjudicate a case when all is good except the visa number, and send an interim GC card until visa number is available. When visa number is available, interim card could be replaced with a permanent card. In a nutshell, replace EAD/AP with an interim permanent resident card, and replace it with a permanent card when visa number is available.

    I agree with JSB. As per my understanding this would be a best option for us right now. We can fight for this from USCIS, there is no need for legislation.

    IV and Donor members please proceed for this. I am willing to donate money for this.

    We can ask from Ron Gotcher if this is possible or not.





    gc_on_demand
    09-24 03:42 PM
    What if EB2 ROW person has labor approved but I 140 pending . because of C person can apply for 485 but will not consume visas.

    So if DOS and USCIS decides and if USCIS loose focus from approving Eb2 ROW and EB1 case for a while and technically create no demand for them leaving more spill to Eb2 india and china that can make Eb2 india C.

    Don't forget that if date is current and still USCIS keep your AOS pending some how you cannot do anything..



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